The Transformative Power of Creative Expression with Judy Wong

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Judy Wong talks with Greg Dixon about the healing and transformative power of creative expressions through art, writing, music, and dance.

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Transcript

So happy Sunday, everyone. This is Greg Dixon, your creativity cheerleader. And I'm here with Amy Wong. We met recently, and she offers some basic transformation and healing services. 

But it turns out that we've both had quite a few adventures in artistic things like music and art and dance and writing. And so we're going to talk a bit about that. 

So... Where do you want to start? 

Why don't you do a proper introduction of yourself? So this is Judy Wong. 

I'm Judy Wong. Some of the people in the business and in the performing world know me as the Judy Wong because I found out a few years back that there was somebody going around saying they were me. No, I'm not dead yet. 

But I started out as an actor, singer, dancer, model for the first thirty years of my life, and then I went on to myriads of other things. I'm also a furniture designer, sculptor, writer, published poet, published writer, and my current, as I jokingly say, my current incarnation is as an artist in life, and helping others heal and find themselves again. 

Because at our age, yeah, we're not such youngsters after all. At our age, pushing seventy, let's face it, life is to over a hundred. That makes us freaking kids. 

Well, I think you and I share this. I sometimes say I don't know what I want to do when I grow up, but apparently, I don't have to worry about it. I'm not growing up anytime soon. 

There you go. That's what I say. I said, you know, it was funny when I had my first child, my best friend who was an actress and a bartender in New York, and everybody kept asking us when we were having our kids. 

And we used to laugh and go, when we grow up, And then one day I walked into her pub and I put down a book that said eating for two. 

And she started to laugh because she had just adopted a little boy from Columbia. And she had the plane tickets behind her on the bar. 

She comes over, she goes, look what I got. 

And I looked at her and the two of us almost simultaneously in stereo went, oh my God, does that mean we grew up? 

And she looks at me and goes, hell no. 

Yeah, well, somebody asked us as well, why do we have kids? I said it was an excuse to play with Lego and watch Pooh Bear cartoons. You know, like, why else would you have kids? 

So you get to play with all those toys again. Play with all the toys, yeah. 

Oh, and you know what? I had my kids very late in life, but the one nice thing is that they kept me young. Somebody goes, how did you manage to stay so bloody young? You got younger. We got older. What's going on? 

I said, I don't know. Maybe because I had kids really late. I was almost forty when I started having my children and they kept me young. 

Because they were enthusiastic, and I always believed in teaching them that life is just fantastic. And you embrace it with all your heart, all your skills, all your gifts. And they each had gifts. One went on to be an aerospace engineer, but he was actually a published photographer when he was eight years old. 

I jokingly gave him a really crappy digital camera when he was a little boy, just so he could play with it as a toy. And this kid would run around. He had one of those security cloths, which actually was a gauze diaper, but I figured I could keep replacing it. He won't know I got wrecked. 

But he had it like a veil over his head one day, and he was spinning around the room. like kind of like a crazy child. And I heard click, click, click, click, click underneath this white cloth. And then he comes running into my room and he pulls the cloth off and he goes, whoa, this is so cool what I got. And I looked at him and I went, child, you never do drugs. But the wild thing was that the images he created, he was photographing not to document. 

Like most photography is a documentary of something, of seeing something interesting. he wasn't he was using his camera almost like an illustrative tool which was so cool and when he started showing me these images I was like whoa where were you when you shot this And I found out it was him spinning around under these cloths and things. 

I was like, okay, okay. But they were outrageous. And they were so sophisticated in color and space and shape. And it was very funny because we used to have this, his dad and I used to have this group that we got together with once a month or actually, back then it was like once a week or every couple of weeks. and it was a bunch of artists and we would get together and we would share our art. 

And he said, one day, can you print my pictures? 

I said, yeah, sure, we can print your pictures. And he goes, I'm going as not as your son. I'm going as one of the artists with my pictures too. 

And he went and he showed everybody the pictures and they all loved them. They were like, can I have a copy of that? 

And he goes, yeah, I'll give you my copy here. You can have this copy. But he was very funny because being the entrepreneur that he was at, I think he was, how old was he now? He was about seven. 

Being the entrepreneur that he was, he was like, no, you can have it, but it's fifty cents. Because a seven-year-old, fifty cents was a lot. 

He sold out his whole portfolio of prints that he brought that day for fifty cents a pop. He thought that was like the cat's meow. 

So the next time we had a meeting, he says, Mommy, print me up some new stuff I got. 

I said, OK. So I printed up his new stuff. And he went and he went into the group and he showed him. 

And they were like, wow, we really love your stuff. And he goes, yeah, it's a dollar. Yeah. 

But you know what? It was his life. It was his heart singing. And he was just so inventive. And when I think about children, because I used to teach children for the longest time. 

I taught them academics using the arts because I was an artist. And when I used to think about how much those children that I taught, the children that I raised, much they taught me about life you know if you look at a child and you look at how they think about life it's it's just mind-blowing and you know sometimes as grown-ups we forget how fantastic and magical that is and we mean we need to remember that sometimes And when you see it through the eyes of a child.

I read something one time, you know, wisdom is not about growing old. It's about if you really want to stay young, be wise in what you know, but continue to see the world through the eyes of the child. 

Because those are the eyes that are worth seeing because they haven't been beaten up by the world yet, you know. And that's how I feel about art. 

Yes. Yeah, I think I mentioned yesterday we have, Ann and I had twin boys, and they seem to just be born knowing absolutely everything. So, you know, I don't think we taught them much of anything. We learned way more from them than we taught them. 

Yeah, I mean, when I think back on the, God knows I've been a teacher my whole life, but I mean, I used to teach the arts, but the first time I started teaching in an academic setting, which was a preschool. 

And back then, everybody said, oh, preschool is this hippy-dippy thing that's never going to take. 

So they would hire anybody to be preschool teachers, you know, who were teachers of any kind. and I got hired and I didn't know how to teach academics. 

I taught art so that's what I taught these kids because that was what I knew how to teach and as I was teaching these kids they were teaching me they were teaching me how to be a good teacher they were teaching me about how they learned they were teaching me about what they learned and I would adjust my curriculum and what I was teaching them based on what they were teaching me, which is why years later when I became a teacher trainer and a professor. 

I used to tell my students, listen, you are students as well as teachers and your students are your best teachers because that's what I learned. 

I got the best teaching to be a great teacher from my kids. Because they were so smart. It's amazing. We forget about that. The children truly are so much smarter than we give them credit. 

Yeah. So you, we were talking about it. You were on the stage for many years of your life. And then you got away from music and then you recently got dragged back into it, but I think you're having a lot of fun. Do you want to tell us a bit about that? 

So yeah, I stopped. I left the stage. I stopped singing. I stopped performing full-time. I mean, I did a job here and there. It was really my son's manager was like, you had a brilliant career. 

Why aren't you working anymore? 

I said, because I'm not. And she kept saying, I'm going to get you jobs here and there. I said, as long as it doesn't take up too much of my time, I'm a professor now. 

And so she would occasionally, I said, the job's got to be really worth it or I'm not dragging myself out of mothballs. 

But, you know, I did a couple of jobs here and there, but not really. I mean, I wasn't looking for work anymore. 

And then I actually didn't get my college degrees until I was in my late fifties. I did start at a normal time. I went to college when I was sixteen. But when I was eighteen, Let's just say a mother who wasn't really much wanting to be a mother derailed my college career because I was young enough that she could affect it. 

So I never finished. 

I didn't actually finish until I was in my late fifties while I was trying to put three boys through college at the same time, which the running gag was who's going to finish first. 

But I cheated. I had two years ahead of them. 

But I was graduating school, and one of my best friends that I grew up with, he went to this open mic thing. He was going to this open mic. And he says, come, come. 

And I'm like, I don't do that stuff anymore. 

And he goes, yeah, yeah, but I do. And he says, the hostess is a friend of mine, and I want to be supportive of her. Don't you want to come? 

I said, well, you know me. I'm always supportive of people. You know, it's not my thing anymore. And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay. Just come. We're going to celebrate your graduation. 

I said, okay, we're going to celebrate my graduation. That's worth coming. 

And it was funny because he says just before I go to meet him, he goes, by the way, make sure you bring some music. 

I said, why am I bringing music? I'm not singing. He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I need the music. 

Now he's a tenor. So, you know, we have similar ranges. 

And I was like, okay, fine. And I said, well, I don't understand why you need me to bring music. Don't you have music? 

And he said, yeah, I do. But honestly, you probably own half of Colony in your house. 

Now, years ago in New York, there was this very famous music store called Colony. was very very famous because you could walk in there it was located in the times square area and you could walk into this store and if there was a song in your head and you hummed it even it was a classical piece you you hum a couple measures of it right they would know exactly what the piece was where to get it and where in the store it was located. 

And he was probably right, my friend, because that had been like my toy store since I was a little, little kid. 

My brother was a pianist and I was a singer. And we both came through conservatory together. And for shits and giggles, that's where we used to hang out was at this music store. And I literally practically bought out half the store. 

But so I brought this music and I didn't think about what I was bringing at the time. I just grabbed something off my piano, ran to meet this friend of mine and handed him this music. And he gets me a glass of champagne. He says, congratulations, you graduated. Yes, thank you. 

You know, and he's looking through this music and he goes, so what are you singing? 

I said, I'm not. 

And he says, no, no, really, what are you singing? 

I said, I'm not. 

And he goes, I said, besides which? I've been raising kids. You know, they're all competition swimmers. I've been screaming on a swim deck. I got no voice anymore. 

And he goes, mm-hmm. So what's your safety song? 

And I'm like, what? And he goes, no, no, no, no. 

Come on. You know and I know. We all got safety songs. And I went. Even if I have a safety song, it's been twenty years. 

I don't even think I remember the words to this stupid safety song. And he says, have another glass of champagne. 

Needless to say, a few dozen glasses, a bunch of glasses of champagne down the road, he got me to get up and sing the safety song. 

And when I went to sit down again, was flipping through this folder and I didn't even pay attention to what folder I grabbed off my piano um because I actually haven't looked at this stuff in years and um he's flipping through it and he gets to this other piece of music and he goes oh you got glitter and be gay I said, now you're really pushing it. 

And he goes, no, but you got glitter and be gay. You got glitter and be gay. He goes, this is your folder of audition pieces. I said, I do not do this stuff anymore. Stop it. 

And he goes, yeah, but you got glitter and be gay. I said, no, you are really pushing it now. And he goes, okay, forget it. Have another glass of champagne. 

Needless to say, by the end of the night, he got me up with a glass of champagne, singing glitter and be gay. 

I don't know why I was doing that. But by the time I sat down, he looked at me because he knew I was going through this really bad divorce with my kid's dad. 

And he looks at me and he says, so how much is that therapist costing you? 

I said, a small fortune. 

He goes, this is cheaper. You can come every week and whatever is bugging you, sing about it. And it's not going to cost you anything. And if you want to buy a drink, it's only five bucks. 

I was like, okay. And I laughed and he goes, come on, be honest. You feel better, don't you? 

I said, well, yeah, it's true. And he goes, so let's do this every week, you and I. 

And so I did. And every week, religiously, I did my therapy at this open mic. And then COVID came. 

And at this point now, I had gotten remarried. I met this really sweet, what I thought, young man who was, honestly, I thought he was a forty-year-old homeless guitarist. And turned out he was a senior citizen doctor. 

Who knew? But it was COVID and I turned to my husband and I said, I'm not giving up my therapy. And they're going online. And I don't want to accompany myself on the piano. So you said you would accompany me. I'm going to hold you to it. 

And he looked at me like, look, I don't play that show stuff and that opera stuff and that weird stuff that you sing. I don't do that. And I go, so? And he goes, I'll make a deal with you. You learn my kind of music and I'll play for you. 

So during COVID, he made me learn two three-inch binders worth of music. I said, I'm a musician for Pete's sake. I'm a conservatory-trained singer. I could sing anything. Just give me the music. 

Well, by the end of COVID, another friend of mine who also started an online thing in England, he's a teacher friend of mine who I didn't know was a famous folk singer-songwriter from the sixties. And he started a thing online too. 

And we were just singing to feel good, singing. to make it through COVID. 

My husband was a senior citizen doctor, so we had to work through that whole time. And I was working through that whole time. 

But it was healthy for us to keep singing and playing. And by the end of COVID, my dear friend in the UK says, by the way, now you are Judy and the Doc. So get me a headshot. I'm booking you in the UK. 

And we were like, what? 

So yeah, for the next five years, we were performing in the UK until one day last year, a young friend of mine, he says to me, so Mama Judy, why are you not doing anything in the States? 

And I go, I don't know. Never occurred to me. We're just doing this for fun. And I mean, literally at that point, we had played the UK everywhere from Belfast to Brighton, from Liverpool to Glasgow and all points in between. And we're going regularly to Cambridge. 

And he says, it's time you do something in the States. So I was like, yeah, whatever. Now, I always keep a dream journal from when I wake up because I always believe that our soul spirit talks to us in our sleep because it's the one time our logical, rational brain can't talk and override us. 

So I always keep this journal. And it just so happened when this kid came to stay with us one day, I had had this weird dream that my husband and I were performing. And I had written it down in the journal. 

And the journal was sitting there on my table when he came over, my friend. And he says, what's this? I said, ah, and I had this weird dream that Henry and I were performing. He goes, where? I says, I don't know. Let me think about that. I think it was like the Green Room, or something like that. 

And he goes, oh, well, why are you not doing it? I was like, it's just a dream. It was just, you know, this thing that was in my head. And he goes, uh-huh. 

Okay. A couple of weeks later, he calls up and he says, well, I think I got some dates in January. Do you want it during the week or maybe a Friday? I said, what are you talking about? He goes, green room, forty-two. I said, are you serious? 

And he says, yeah. I said, well, if you're going to do something there, you know, Fridays are probably better because it's when, you know, us older people who are working can make a day, you know, go out. And he goes, okay. 

She calls back a week later. He says, by the way, you are now booked. 

My husband and I were like, what? 

He goes, yeah, you're booked. I got you Friday night. You got the headlining spot. Get it together. 

So we were laughing. We were just, we were, it was pretty funny. Um, and then, and then he says, uh, I'm, I'm book, I'm booking you. I'm going to produce it. He goes, and I'm promoting you guys as fresh from the UK. I said, fresh from the UK. He goes, really? Yeah. I said, well, you're not totally lying. Cause literally the week before we had just came back, come back from Cambridge performing in Cambridge. 

Um, So I said, you're not totally lying. 

So he goes, yeah, so I'm going to promote you as fresh from the UK. 

I said, okay. And he goes, it's your US debut. 

And I went, really? And he goes, yeah. I said, you know, it's been thirty years since I stepped foot on a stage to sing. 

He goes, yeah, and it's about time. 

So yeah, my husband and I just did a show in January. Um, which was very quickly put together. No joke, I actually figured out the costuming, like, I think the day before. With no rehearsal. 

I wrote the score for the, I became the opening act for the band, and I wrote the score, like, three days before.

But it evidently went well, because the general consensus was that it was great. 

Now, when are you doing the next show? And my husband and I looked at each other and went, oh, my God, we barely made it through this one. 

But, you know, it's a healing thing. I always like to say, life isn't over yet. 

Why make a bucket list? We're not dead. We don't have one foot in the grave. 

We are like a work in progress. And that's the cool thing about being an artist in life, is that you're a work in progress. 

Artists are always creating. And everybody is an artist, whether we understand that or not. We are all artists, because we're always crafting our life. 

That's great. I've had a few occasions where I've dragged people into music. So one time I was playing in a band, and a friend phoned up, and he said, I borrowed a bass, and I'm going to learn how to play it. 

I said, great. We've got a rehearsal on Wednesday and a gig on Saturday. 

But I don't know what I'm doing. 

That doesn't matter. That's all. 

And then someone else I'd worked with, and she was from Newfoundland, and she said she sang. But, you know, she, anyway, we had a backyard party with, we played some music. And anyway, we got her drinking a lot, which wasn't hard. And then got her on stage, and then so she ended up being part of the band. And then, you know, she was protesting. You know, I'm not going to do it, not going to do it. You can't make me. 

And then she moved to Calgary and I heard that she went to one of these sort of South, you know, like sort of Dallas, you know, style big barbecue thing. And one of her friends brought her in there and, got her really drunk, and then one of the bands just said, hey, we got a special announcement for you. Maggie Berry's going to sing with us. 

Anyway, as far as I know, it hasn't stopped. They just dragged her into the band. 

But it's, yeah, no, it's really good. Anyway, you mentioned about this, like, during... during COVID, I think it is, I knew some friends who had a worldwide open mic. So you signed up and you got a fifteen minute slot and you just, in those days. 

So I think I'm going to do something like that again as playing music for fun and work out just a big thing, you know, where people have their fifteen minutes to get on and they can play something on their own.

Well, that was, you know, it was funny because that was my friend in the UK. We had our open mic, my therapy group, and we were doing it like every week, religiously. But then my friend in the UK was the educator. He started because he was mad that the Cambridge Folk Festival got canceled. 

And so he says, I'm just going to bring all of the musicians together. And he just started gathering us, but really good, amazingly good musicians. And it first was all the musicians that he knew in Cambridge. And he called me up because he knew I was a singer. And he goes, you want to come? Hang out? Check it out? I said yeah come and listen and then I came to listen and he's like and judy's from New York and she's gonna be singing I was what what what wait a minute I did I did I didn't think I was signing up for that but he got me singing and we it was just basically we would each sing something and then go around and we kept going around and we went on oh my god we would start at like two o'clock our time in New York which is seven o'clock their time and literally go on into like midnight one o'clock in the morning in uk time so we would just keep going.

It was funny because there were shifts of people who came like early, early people, later people, but as we went along during covid we just started getting more and more people to the point that 

He called it lockdown folk. 

Lockdown folk had grown so big that we now had musicians coming in from Alaska, California, Japan, literally all over the globe. 

And it became the most wonderful celebration of music, of hope, of life, in a time when the world was trying to tell us everything's all over, you know? It was a place where everybody just came to celebrate each other. 

And we became best of friends. And then, when we went offline, we started gathering in the UK and putting on a festival there. 

And it was wonderful to see these people. And they literally flew in from all over the globe. It was kind of nice. And when you think about the healing property of that. 

It kept us alive. It kept us feeling good, strong, and hopeful, and not like the world was coming to an end, which was a really good thing. That was a good thing. 

I think during art, all forms, like music. 

My thing is, I think we were born musical, and everybody has some talent, and they can do it. It's a part of our lives. 

You can't watch a movie or television commercial without there being music in there. It's very powerful. 

I think we talked a little bit about writing. You said you write a journal. I think Writing can be very therapeutic or healing, enlightening. Even if you're not publishing it, you're just writing it for yourself. 

Write a journal, get your ideas down. Artistic expression. 

I think probably quite a few artists thrived during COVID because they didn't have any distractions. Just stay home and paint or draw or do something. 

Oh, that is so true. I mean, when you think about... When we met, it was really kind of funny because he was, no joke, playing in a rock and roll band. He was playing guitar in a local rock and roll band, which is why I thought he was a forty-year-old. Because he doesn't look his age either, no more than I do. And it was pretty funny because I thought he was this kid. He thought I was a kid, which was amusing. 

But when we finally went to dinner, we realized we didn't know how to have a conversation because neither of us had been with anybody in over eight years. And both of us were quite actively trying to stay as single as humanly possible for the rest of our lives because both of us had come out of somewhat abusive, traumatic, long-term marriages. 

And when you think about what saved his life, and when he moved in with me, he had like a whole stack of notebooks that he wrote in. And that's what saved his life. 

And I thought about that when I was young. I mean, honestly, by all rights, medically, mentally, physically, I should either be dead in traction or the bionicle woman at this point, but I'm not. 

But when I was twelve, I was diagnosed with a barometer old age body. When I was sixteen, I was diagnosed with an ulcer and a near nervous breakdown. 

And at eighteen, I was told, " Get your act together, or we're going to put you in a hospital". 

When I was in, I ran away to college in this place that was so isolated and so the absolute opposite of the city of New York, where they literally said, "God bless you at the other end of town if you sneezed." 

It wasn't even on half of the maps of the United States. It was pretty funny. But while I was there, the school actually had me in therapy to try to get better. 

And I remember my therapist said to me, he goes, all these books that you have, these journals, keep writing in them. He goes, because honestly, that's what's been saving your life. 

And it will continue to save your life. Just keep writing. And I wasn't probably looking to publish or anything. I was just writing, writing poems, writing stories. I am a published writer now. I am a published poet. But back then, it was just writing to save my own life. 

And it is so important because it gives you space. It's a place to express what you can't say to others. It's a place where you can reflect and ask, ' Is this something I need now? ' Can I let it go? It's a place where, as you grow, you can see that you are getting better. 

Look, I was in this place. I am in so much better now. So when things go bump in the night, I talk a lot about the sacred sidesteps and divine detours we have in life, because God knows we do. 

But when you have them, it is a place where you can look again and say, well, yeah, here's this divine detour that's kind of throwing me off my grid or off my mojo. 

But look where I came from. And look how I managed to heal myself. And look where I can get peace.

 And so writing is so important. It is really important for your soul. 

Which is why even when I work with people now as a healer, I make my people write. They have to write every day. Because it's important. And it's a safe place. a place that is your soul spirit talking, not that crazy logical brain that likes to get involved. 

Yeah. So maybe you can talk a bit more about ho

w you work with your r clients, other people and describe your services. I've got a link there and maybe we can show the website if that's appropriate, but maybe you can describe what you're doing. 

So. Yeah, so also during COVID, actually right before COVID, a lot of my colleagues and friends, we were being put out to pastor en masse from our various professions, especially teachers, because a lot of the teachers are from our generation. And I was watching them implode. and get really depressed and very upset. And they would come to me and they go, Judy, I don't know what's going on with you, but you seem to be getting, you're in a different place. 

What's your fountain of youth that you've drunk from? 

And I used to tell them, there's no fountain of youth, honey. But I did say, I learned to drink from the fountain of life and I learned to love life. And so, what I did was start working with them because I am a complementary alternative practitioner. I'm an accredited hypnotherapist. I'm certified in more energy healings than you can imagine. 

But more importantly, I am a psychic and into it. So I can see that people sometimes don't see into themselves. 

And like I tell people, I can't do anything for you. But I'm a really good guide, and a loving guide, and a compassionate guide, and a caring guide.

And I will safely guide you back to you. 

Because that's what happened to me, oh my God, almost fifteen years ago. I had to find myself again. 

And when I got guided back to me, all the answers that I needed, all the things that I needed, were there. I just forgot it was there. You know, we do. 

We all come into this world with our core, soul, spirit, self. 

And then the world steps in and buries it alive. 

But the thing is, it's never gone. It's always been there. And we just need to see it again. So what I do is I guide people back to seeing themselves again. 

The wonderful thing about that was that everybody wanted to know how I suddenly got healthy. 

That's how I got healthy, because it had the answers. I honestly have not been, you know, people who say the older you get, the sicker you get. I actually got healthier. 

Literally, I have not seen any doctors as a doctor in over ten years. The only doctor I see is my husband, but not as a doctor. But I actually haven't seen any doctors in over ten years. And I literally have not been sick with anything so much as a cold in over ten years, which is a miracle for somebody like me, who was so horribly sick into my late fifties. 

But honestly, when I tapped into me again and saw my soul spirit self again, and embraced that and allowed her to be my North Star to tell me which way to go and what I should be doing. I stopped being sick. 

My ulcer for the first time in over forty years ceased to exist. My barometer body that, God knows, I kind of miss it sometimes now, I don't know when the rain and snow is coming anymore, but my barometer body ceased to exist. 

And I just stopped being sick all the time. Just, you know, they talk about in The Secret, that movie, about The Secret and the abundance and the law of abundance and all that. 

But The Secret is you. That is the secret to the secret. And that's what I learned. And that's what I do now with others. And so I was helping my friends find themselves again, so they weren't defining themselves by their last job or their last relationship or whatever they were doing, but by themselves again. 

And the miracles that I saw happening, literally, I had a friend who went from not being able to sit up in a Zoom room to walking up and down stairs without pain. And she said, this is weird. I'm walking. I'm not using anything. No walker. I don't have to be carried anymore. She had a fold-up cane that she kept in her bag just in case, which I thought was pretty funny. 

The wild thing is, I saw her recently, and this was almost five years ago when she started working with me, but I saw her recently, and she was singing and dancing in a musical. The woman who couldn't get up and walk. The woman was diagnosed with chronic severe depression. The therapist did not know how the depression had suddenly disappeared. 

The woman who was struggling with her relationships with her children, her grandchildren, and her husband, all of a sudden, they were healed. I mean, when I went to see her in this musical, they were sitting in the audience, cheering on their mom and their wife. 

What a shift. And it's all because she found herself again. So during COVID, when all the things were going on, my husband and I, it was sad to us because we saw a lot of people who were just like us, vibrant, productive, young at heart, healthy, strong, but buy into all of the rhetoric that we were old. And they locked themselves up. 

And what broke my heart and broke my husband's heart was that when they finally emerged, they came out in wheelchairs, walkers, or dead. And we had not experienced that much loss since the AIDS crisis. And that's when my husband said, it's time you do more. Especially since, during COVID, the university saw fit to put me out to pastor too, because I'm so young. 

And my husband said, our people need you. what we can't have our our generation walking towards their death on mass the way everybody wants us to he says you got to do more so yeah I started working with more people larger groups I have a weekly share circle wellness that if you contact me you know you're welcome to come to it.

We get together religiously every week for the last five years. We started on the Mindvalley platform organization and have grown into ourselves. But what I do now is I guide you back to you because the truth is people are living to a hundred or more. 

And so how could you say you know how long a life you're going to have? You have no idea. I mean, if you asked us back in the fifties, people weren't living to more than, like, maybe eighty, very rarely to anything over ninety. I mean, to the point that literally the president of the United States called you up if you managed to hit a hundred. 

Nowadays, think about it. If somebody says, oh, my mom just hit a hundred or a hundred and six. What do we do? We go, cool, when's the next party? 

So you don't know when your life's going to come to an end. So why are you living your life for your death? So what I teach people, stop living for your death.

 Start living for your life. Because it's a hell of a lot more fun to live for your life than your death. And honestly, you have no idea when death is going to come. I have worked with people who are terminally diagnosed terminally ill. And the truth is, they will continue to live indefinitely if they don't buy into the doctor's death date. 

And in every case, when they do choose to cross over, it's always been because they made a choice. It's not inevitable. It's your choice. 

Do you choose life? Do you choose death? 

I just think life is a hell of a lot more fun. And my husband laughs. He says, "You've had more careers in your lifetime than most people in your family."

 I said, and I'm not done yet. So, so you never know. I mean, we're starting off another new musical life career. Yeah. Why not? 

Yeah, that's great. Live your life. There we go. And yeah, no, this has been great. 

Fabulous. And I'll send you an invitation to the, to the first international online. What do you call it? Open mic. And we'll get to see your husband's guitar. Maybe the one with the little, uh, Oh, he's got a great guitar. 

He's a doctor. So he actually had somebody build him a guitar. Took us like nine years or something like that. And it's really cool because he is a doctor. Around the sound hole of the guitar is a DNA strand. And along the neck are chromosomes. 

Which my middle son, when he met my husband for the first time, was so excited about because my middle son is a biomedical engineer and so is his wife. So I jokingly said to them, yo, I need a clone. 

Work faster. Work faster. Okay. 

Now this has been great. So, if you want to connect with Judy, you can go to raiseyourfountainoflife.com and get creative.

 Oh, yeah. We always have fun. That's what people say. I don't just have a workshop. We just have fun together. We play music. We listen to music. We listen to songs. We write. We sing. We do art. It's fun. 

Maybe throw in some laughter yoga. There you go. 

Well, actually, I'm a stand-up comic, too, by the way. Okay, there we go. So in the open, Mike, you can do your comic routine, too. 

Oh, God. And that was another thing that I had not done in, like, oh, my God, almost forty years. I had done stand-up when I was married the first time to an Orthodox Jewish family. 

So I had a whole shiksa routine. Yeah. 

So Leonard Cohen, when he started, described himself as a stand-up philosopher. There you go. So he would get into a little coffee shop in Montreal, and he would get up on the little soapbox, and you know, say something. And then that led to a music career. 

And the funny thing is he won a Juno Award as Vocalist of the Year. In his speech. He says, only in some alternative universe would I be Vocalist of the Year because he didn't really think he could sing. He could sing okay. 

That's what I did. Yeah. yeah yeah that you know the the person the the client of my my friend who who did a musical theater show what we learned when she was working with me is that she always wanted to sing yeah and when she was a little girl she used to sing and then everybody told her it was a stupid idea so stop doing it so she did and I remember I asked her I said well when you used to sing as a little girl what were you doing she goes I was always in these contests and I said really And I said, how did you do? 

She goes, I always won. 

I said, well, for crying out loud, if you were always winning at these contests, you couldn't be all that bad. 

Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. People, people aren't that helpful sometimes, you know, even like, especially friends and family generally, the last people you should ask about almost anything, really. 

Well, you know, they don't understand, but if you're doing it from your heart, which is what I always told my kids. if it pushes your happy place, and you're doing this art, and they are artists. 

The oldest one was a photographer. 

The middle one paints, draws, sings, and dances. The youngest one is an actor, singing and dancing. 

And I'm like, if it's coming from your heart, then that's the right place it should be coming from. Yeah. You know? The right place. Because our hearts... it wants the best for us it truly wants us to be strong and healthy and wonderful and happy yeah what was the thing you said you bring people back to themselves yeah yeah I guide you that's all I am I'm a guide I'm a teacher I guide you to you because when you find you when they find themselves.

 They actually were like, wow. I didn't know I had the answer to that. 

Wow. Look, it's opening this door for me. Wow. I get it now. And that's where the magic comes in. 

That's where the magic comes in. 

Okay. Well, thank you very much for joining, and we'll do this again. Okay. And there we go. Happy Sunday, everyone. Happy Sunday.